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October 11, 2007

Open Topic Discussion: October 11, 2007

Posted by detroit1051

Can Le Reve be salvaged? I haven't seen it, but Wynn has been tinkering with it for two years now: Is it a first class show?
Le Reve Continues To Evolve


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October 11, 2007 11:56 AM Posted by AndyMN

I haven't personally seen the show since the theater was remodeled but according to, Le Reve has been in the top ten weekly ticket sales since then. I'm not sure how credible Ticket News is but it seems fairly accurate.

People seem to like the show these days but I've heard the new lighting was a bit overwhelming when it reopened. It may have been fixed by now.

October 11, 2007 11:59 AM Posted by TC

I saw Le Reve last February before the seating changes but after Dragone was relived of his duties. Its an interesting show to watch, the closeness and the whole theater in the round aspect make it really really interesting. The "clowns" during and before the show are far better then those in O and Love, and they alone are worthy of seeing the show again. My one complaint with the show was that there was just way to much stuff going on at one time. In O there is one focal point of action ( the fire guy, the swinging diving guys, the boat) In Le Reve, there similar acts but while they are performing there is stuff going on around the stage that distracts you, because you don't know if that is a "plot point" or if it is simple secondary action that is just in the way. All in All I think as long as Le Reve continues to draw half houses and increase the word of mouth I think it will last a while. It seems Wynn has a lot invested in the show and wants it to succeed for years to come, I would go back to see it just to see all these changes.

October 11, 2007 12:14 PM Posted by Chuckmonster

I've got a question about the Macau Diamond Suites that maybe some of y'all might have some insight into.

I've seen two models of Wynn Macau, the one posted by Hunter a few years ago that shows one tower:

And another two tower model, the left one presumably being the Diamond Suites (facing StarWorld). The main tower slopes in the opposite direction, so I'm inclined to think this was an earlier model than the one Hunter posted.

However a recent Wynn Resorts investor presentation has the Diamond Suites blocked out as a rectangle in the South East corner of the property.

Has there been any confirmation from Wynn Resorts about the location & design of the Diamond Suites tower?

October 11, 2007 6:53 PM Posted by Jason Robar

Andy, I'm not sure what Ticketnow is counting. I do know that if Spamalot is number 5 in sales, I would be shocked.

When I was in Vegas in September, tickets were readily available at the various half price booths (my friends and I were able to get 7 tickets together), and there were enough open seats that the usher invited us to move around into some of the empty seats if we wished more room.

October 16, 2007 1:31 PM Posted by detroit1051

This says Alex at Wynn has new hours. Was it open for dinner 7 nights before? Wednesday seems like an odd day to be closed.
"If you've ever dined on the French Riviera, you've had a taste of the delicate flavors of Alex. Chef Alessandro Stratta brings Riviera Cuisine to perfection, and only to Wynn Las Vegas. New hours are: Thursday � Tuesday 6:00pm � 10:00pm."

October 16, 2007 5:04 PM Posted by DavidF

Alex Closing on Wednesdays?

Well that is the night they show "Top Chef" on Bravo and a new Season going to start soon .......... ;-)

October 16, 2007 9:11 PM Posted by Mike E

David, LOL.

Alex used to always be closed on Mondays. These new hours work better I think.

October 17, 2007 7:04 PM Posted by detroit1051

Confirmation that Venetian received AAA's 5-Diamond rating:

October 18, 2007 7:07 PM Posted by Jason Robar

I got an odd offer today from the MGM Grand. The offer was for a "Holiday shopping spree", which I thought was going to be related to the Holiday gift shoppe that MGM Mirage offers. But instead, the offer included a gift certificate for the Miracle Mile shops at Planet Hollywood Resort and Casino (as taken from the offer).

Anybody else surprised that the offer would drive people to Planet Hollywood instead of, say, the shops at Mandalay Place?

October 18, 2007 7:34 PM Posted by detroit1051

Jason, I assume we got the same email today. I was surprised it was for Signature at MGM Grand instead of the main MGM Grand. Since there was a $35 shopping credit plus an additional $35 if you use and American Express card, I assume it's a joint promotion between Signaure at MGM, Planet Hollywood and Amex.
The rates for Signature were from $159 per night.

October 18, 2007 9:18 PM Posted by Jason Robar

The email I got was for the main hotel, and not Signature. I'm guessing that was the email sent to everybody who gave their email address to MGM Grand marketing, as there wasn't the normal "Sent to Jason Robar" followed by my Player's Club offer.
The rates according to the email were from $99 (though if you went to book online, $89 rates were readily available). But the offer for the Miracle Mile shops and the addition credit were the same. (The addition $35 for Amex use was applicable only to room charges, but not to the room rate or taxes.)

October 19, 2007 6:15 AM Posted by detroit1051

That's the problem with Adelson. He's so concerned about being the richest person in the world, he doesn't give a shit about service or quality. 5-Diamonds???? Screw it.
(Boy, whatever happened to nice, mild-mannered detroit1051?)
"But that was the way with many things during our dinner at Tao: They sounded good, but didn't quite measure up."
"this is a place that clearly wants to turn its tables. Service from our waiter and his assistant was quite good, but even the appetizers came out too quickly, and though we dug right in, we hadn't quite finished when the entrees arrived. And the runner who brought the entrees just stood there with them in his hands and sort of roughly gestured for us to move the appetizer plates aside so he could put them down, which he did unceremoniously and then departed."

October 19, 2007 3:31 PM Posted by Mark D

This is kind of interesting. The $35 million per acre Elad paid is not the highest price paid for Strip property. In this article about an Arizona businessman buying the Holy Cow it also says that he and his partners bought a .64 acre site for $32.5 million equating to more than $50 million per acre. It's the site where the Palazzo condo is going. Adelson doesn't own that land, just the air rights above it, and Wallgreens is still going to put a store there under the condo tower, plus six floors of retail leased to the Palazzo. They don't know what they are going to do with the Holy Cow site.

October 20, 2007 4:26 PM Posted by mike_ch

Monte Carlo is replacing Blackstone's Steakhouse, which surprises me since it's always highly rated, and combined with the Lance Burton show was as close to an image trend in the otherwise non-descript Monte Carlo casino.

The new restaurant, continuing MGM-Mirage's love affair with monosyllabic names, will be named HIDE. Yep, that's all caps. It'll open next year.

October 20, 2007 5:55 PM Posted by detroit1051

HIDE, like in the hide of a cow or steer? I guess I don't fit MGM's demographics any more because I like the old fashioned steakhouses like Hollywood Brown Derby. I never ate at Blackstone's but I have looked in and had the same comfortable feeling as with other good steakhouses. I hope MGM doesn't tamper with, or get rid of, Andre Rochat's French restaurant in Monte Carlo.

October 20, 2007 6:57 PM Posted by Hunter


Since everyone ignored you, I'll take a whack at it: as far as I know, the design of the Diamond Suites is still a question mark.

This is the kind of detail that either Wynn doesn't realize anyone cares about or doesn't want to reveal.

The 'two tower' model photo I posted is VERY old. It was the first Macau rendering, right after they won the concession. It's likely they changed their mind and decided to do the single tower in phase one and then see what would happen. Well - we've seen I guess.

October 20, 2007 8:00 PM Posted by Hunter

Mark D,

You sure about where the Holy Cow site is?

I'm pretty sure it's the site across from Sahara and catty from MGM's new jive down there with Kerzer. It was the brewery for years and then was gonna be the Ivana condo tower, no?

October 20, 2007 8:03 PM Posted by Hunter

Duh. I mis-read your comment. Note to self - read more closely.

October 24, 2007 11:20 AM Posted by motoman

Jason, when (what time) did you score those discounted tickets? We were curious to see the "new" LeReve. Made the mistake of hitting the place at Fashion Show Mall at opening time, saw the huge crowds, and found zero availability of LeReve, Spamalot and most of the Cirques.

Later, inside another casino we found two booths with no waiting lines and plenty of availability for both Wynn shows. My guess is they start the day trying to sell full price (duh!), then release tickets as (lack of) demand warrants. No crowds then but you take your chances with availability.

Ended up paying full price for Spamalot at the booth inside Wynn in front of the Sugar & Ice patio, where they were not able to charge to our room. That booth seems to be targeted at tourists passing through. So I don't know if they were able to correlate that purchase with our stay, to help determine how "good" a guest I was....

October 30, 2007 7:34 PM Posted by Jason Robar

Motoman, sorry about nto getting back to you sooner. We got the tickets around 12:30-1:00, IIRC. We got the tickets at the 1/2 price booth in the M&M/Coke store mall.

One detail which I had forgotten in the initial post was that the tickets were for the 10:00pm show, which I think is only run on the weekend. That might have been a factor in being able to get tickets, though we did see tickets available every time we passed by the various 1/2 price booths on the south strip.